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Post by ulyankee on Apr 9, 2006 14:22:46 GMT
FYI, the most current version of the timeline can be viewed here: www.geocities.com/ulyankeeAs always, if someone sees something that is incorrect, needs further explanation, or needs to be added, please write me at ulyankee@yahoo.com. I also add updated events to the timeline, so if you have news that needs to be added (pending verification of course!!!!) please let me know. blessings, ulyankee
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Post by StationAdministration on Apr 9, 2006 14:53:52 GMT
Thanks for the update, Ulyankee!
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Post by StationAdministration on Aug 24, 2006 6:20:08 GMT
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Post by jonmoseley on Oct 17, 2006 19:20:21 GMT
I think that many of your entries are misleading, even if not intended that way.
I am an attorney who deals with corporate registrations. Certificates of authority, foreign registration, etc., LAPSE ALL THE TIME because someone fails to pay $25 on time. This is easily cured by mailing in a check with a small $50 penalty for being late.
You list a lot of corporate entities being revoked AS IF THAT INDICATES SOMETHING WRONG. THAT IS FALSE.
Although you may legitimately use those as clues that a chuch or ministry has been completely abandoned, THIS DOES NOT TELL YOU ANYTHING about ongoing ministries.
I have a corporation right now that I forgot to send in the paperwork for. I will send in a check with a very small penalty, and it will be restored.
This is no big deal.
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Post by ulyankee on Oct 21, 2006 15:13:15 GMT
Hi Jon, point taken... I'm not an attorney and don't pretend to be. However, one of the things I've noticed in terms of this movement's corporate history is that at some times when a corporate entity is allowed to lapse or etc. it *may* indicate something more significant. So I don't include it in there to show that they did something *wrong* but more to indicate changes in direction that may have first been indicated by a change in corporate status.
One example is the MSI corporate entity in Missouri, which was allowed to lapse... at one point it seemed there were plans to make Life Christian an apostolic center, but that didn't happen.
Another example are Victory Clubs in Tennessee, which was allowed to lapse soon after the Nashville lawsuit was filed. Though one could also say it is because what is now Every Nation Youth is part of Every Nation Ministries and a separate corporate entity is no longer required.
Though examples closer to what you mention, ones that were/are probably oversights would include the current lapse of Metro Morning Star, since the church obviously still exists. Assuming it's reinstated, whenever that happens I'll take that out of the timeline in line with your suggestion, so thanks. However, if they instead reincorporate as a new entity, I'll post that instead, since that is one of a handful of former Maranatha churches in what is today EN and due to the amount of discussion about the connection (or lack of) between MCM and EN I think it would be important to note if that happens--that is the primary reason why I posted its current status to begin with.
It has been a while since I've had time to re-review the timeline and clean it up but its something that I know needs to be done periodically and the next time I go through I'll keep your suggestion in mind.
blessings, ulyankee
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Post by paulhansen on Feb 10, 2007 14:06:06 GMT
Hi Philip Just a few points I need to bring up to you with regard to His people and Every nation. I also was a member from 1992 until 2005. I must admit that although you say you where in leadership there i can't say I remember you. I find it very interesting how opposed you are to the EN church's. 1. I personally was at a leadership meeting of all the cell leaders and department heads (prob about 600 members) when Rice was explaining what a disciple of Jesus is as well as what it means to disciple others.At this point Paul was still the senior pastor. It was a very challenging sermon. What was very interesting was, when he had finished, he asked us "who here is personally discipling someone else or being discipled" . To my horror only about ten percent of the people put there hands up. This is the context of the "purple book". Our so called super church was filled with hot air and didn't resemble the biblical make up of the church. Jesus' intention for the church is a discipleship based body ,not a pastor centered one tottally dependant on a charismatic orator.The apostle Paul says that people said he wasn't very persuasive and impressive in person.. The five fold ministry is there to equip the saints to do the work of the ministry. This was new to all the HP leaders.It still shocks me today that we could look and feel so good about our church yet we had strayed to a cult like church.We had great teaching yes but we lacked in personal application of the great commission.I was a cell leader for about three years and we where taught by ............... that cell groups where to be friendship groups.All teaching was to be done by Bible school and sunday services.This was in total antithesis to biblical teaching. What would have happenned to HP had it not been for the biblical foundations in the Purple book? If you ever read it you will find that it only contains bible verses with very little personal interpretation. I firmly believe the HP of early times was built on faulty foundations. They lasted in good times but when the flood waters rose it crumbled. 2. Gareth Stead now is senior pastor but was raving about how incredibly excited he is to be running a discipleship group of new christians he had pesonally witnessed to. One of which was a waiter .How many pastors do you know that have a passion to disciple a small group. Phillip God wants you to have that sought of passion to be an ambassador for Him and to make disciples. 2tim2:2 3. I am now at the full gosple church in Fish Hoek so I am not trying to sell the message of a church group but I have a passion to share the love and person of Jesus Christ with the world. There was some wonderfull teaching that we got in the early years at HP but we lacked in having a firm relationship with Jesus Christ. We where excited about the wrong things. We believed we could make a difference in the world but we wher'nt able to make disciples of Jesus. We strived to be area leaders and department heads but lacked the passion to see the Lordship of Jesus in our and others lives.I was so inspired and challenged by the Purple book that I now minister at the school assemblys twice a week at the Masipumele High and primary schools. 4. I am aware of the fact that EN has problems but I can assure you that all churchs have identical problems. God wants to use you as a catalyst for change and not for destruction. I think the spirit you take is not condusive to influencing others to repentance. I can see that you have a passion for justice and truth. My prayer is that God willgive you to have a passion for people.Rick Joyner had vision of a huge mountain full of christians in battle with armies of the devil that where at the base of the mountain. Different areas of the mountain represented different church groups(methodists, presbetarian, etc).There arrows where hitting the targets . At one side of the mountain where those that also where called christians that where critisising the others but where not fighting the enmy. God rebuked him by saying that he must stop judging and critisising other church denominations as they where all fighting in the same battle. Phillip keep your focus on the battle at hand .I can see that you normally do. 5. His People has huge challenges, baggage and hurdles but I am convinced that as they stand now they are on a far firmer ground than even at our so called heights.I know that you feel hurt and disapointment. but you need to move on .Your years in the early HP where not in vain. Paul Daniel was an awesome teacher and I pray that God will raise up many men of that callibre. We can understand how King Davids mighty men must have felt when he fell. Paul Daniel was a wek man like David, like you and me. We need to make sure that our lives are built on the rock.Jesus says this is a man that hears the word of God and does what it says.The man who built his house on the sand also heard the word but chose to ignore it . Philip be single minded in your vision to extend God's kingdom as you are doing. Jesus said go and make disciples . Baptising them in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit teaching them to obey all that I have commanded. Never in the History of the world has there been a greater need for christian discipleship or mentoring as the world calls it. This is the principle message that I got from Gareth Stead at His People. We need to pray that other churches too will get the vision to train and raise up disciples who in turn can make disciples Read 2 Tim 2:2 Love in Christ Paul Hansen
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