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Post by philiprosenthal on Apr 29, 2006 7:21:20 GMT
If you have questions you would like the EveryNation leadership to answer, please post them below, with a suggestion of maybe which leaders need to answer them. Anyone who has clues on the answers can also respond.
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Post by chesed on May 2, 2006 22:36:38 GMT
I have heard that local Every Nation churches give tithes to Every Nation. How is this money spent?
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Post by paulhansen on Feb 10, 2007 14:16:07 GMT
Hi Philip Just a few points I need to bring up to you with regard to His people and Every nation. I also was a member from 1992 until 2005. I must admit that although you say you where in leadership there i can't say I remember you. I find it very interesting how opposed you are to the EN church's. 1. I personally was at a leadership meeting of all the cell leaders and department heads (prob about 600 members) when Rice was explaining what a disciple of Jesus is as well as what it means to disciple others.At this point Paul was still the senior pastor. It was a very challenging sermon. What was very interesting was, when he had finished, he asked us "who here is personally discipling someone else or being discipled" . To my horror only about ten percent of the people put there hands up. This is the context of the "purple book". Our so called super church was filled with hot air and didn't resemble the biblical make up of the church. Jesus' intention for the church is a discipleship based body ,not a pastor centered one tottally dependant on a charismatic orator.The apostle Paul says that people said he wasn't very persuasive and impressive in person.. The five fold ministry is there to equip the saints to do the work of the ministry. This was new to all the HP leaders.It still shocks me today that we could look and feel so good about our church yet we had strayed to a cult like church.We had great teaching yes but we lacked in personal application of the great commission.I was a cell leader for about three years and we where taught by ............... that cell groups where to be friendship groups.All teaching was to be done by Bible school and sunday services.This was in total antithesis to biblical teaching. What would have happenned to HP had it not been for the biblical foundations in the Purple book? If you ever read it you will find that it only contains bible verses with very little personal interpretation. I firmly believe the HP of early times was built on faulty foundations. They lasted in good times but when the flood waters rose it crumbled. 2. Gareth Stead now is senior pastor but was raving about how incredibly excited he is to be running a discipleship group of new christians he had pesonally witnessed to. One of which was a waiter .How many pastors do you know that have a passion to disciple a small group. Phillip God wants you to have that sought of passion to be an ambassador for Him and to make disciples. 2tim2:2 3. I am now at the full gosple church in Fish Hoek so I am not trying to sell the message of a church group but I have a passion to share the love and person of Jesus Christ with the world. There was some wonderfull teaching that we got in the early years at HP but we lacked in having a firm relationship with Jesus Christ. We where excited about the wrong things. We believed we could make a difference in the world but we wher'nt able to make disciples of Jesus. We strived to be area leaders and department heads but lacked the passion to see the Lordship of Jesus in our and others lives.I was so inspired and challenged by the Purple book that I now minister at the school assemblys twice a week at the Masipumele High and primary schools. 4. I am aware of the fact that EN has problems but I can assure you that all churchs have identical problems. God wants to use you as a catalyst for change and not for destruction. I think the spirit you take is not condusive to influencing others to repentance. I can see that you have a passion for justice and truth. My prayer is that God willgive you to have a passion for people.Rick Joyner had vision of a huge mountain full of christians in battle with armies of the devil that where at the base of the mountain. Different areas of the mountain represented different church groups(methodists, presbetarian, etc).There arrows where hitting the targets . At one side of the mountain where those that also where called christians that where critisising the others but where not fighting the enmy. God rebuked him by saying that he must stop judging and critisising other church denominations as they where all fighting in the same battle. Phillip keep your focus on the battle at hand .I can see that you normally do. 5. His People has huge challenges, baggage and hurdles but I am convinced that as they stand now they are on a far firmer ground than even at our so called heights.I know that you feel hurt and disapointment. but you need to move on .Your years in the early HP where not in vain. Paul Daniel was an awesome teacher and I pray that God will raise up many men of that callibre. We can understand how King Davids mighty men must have felt when he fell. Paul Daniel was a wek man like David, like you and me. We need to make sure that our lives are built on the rock.Jesus says this is a man that hears the word of God and does what it says.The man who built his house on the sand also heard the word but chose to ignore it . Philip be single minded in your vision to extend God's kingdom as you are doing. Jesus said go and make disciples . Baptising them in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit teaching them to obey all that I have commanded. Never in the History of the world has there been a greater need for christian discipleship or mentoring as the world calls it. This is the principle message that I got from Gareth Stead at His People. We need to pray that other churches too will get the vision to train and raise up disciples who in turn can make disciples Read 2 Tim 2:2 Love in Christ Paul Hansen
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Post by ddddyyyy on Aug 17, 2009 9:18:05 GMT
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Post by roderick Benjamin on Jul 8, 2017 5:56:28 GMT
I hear u !but u know the question I have is!what about the mantle God gave pastor paul daniel 4 the church his people ministry's!have u ever been 2 the branches like m/plain,retreat,n1city?its like deadly! No fire!so dead!I think the reason being paul Daniel 1 thing 4 himself & took the mantle with him!eventhoug rice brooks forced Paul's hands on Gareth &the way Gareth went 2 morningstar & not 2 us as a congregation who had no say in the doings! So there are more unanswered questions! Like sometime it was mentioned that paul was paid R75000 per month and Gareth R35000 so much stinks are hidden!!!!
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