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Post by garrynb on Sept 18, 2006 5:39:27 GMT
Hello ladies and gentlemen
I am garry form .......... and I consider myself as a truth seeker and I try to find a good church that suitable with me
Last week I had a good chance to join " Victory Fellowship Church " < Every Nation > The meeting are fun like a pentecostal church They use a modern music , dancing and a member are very friendly
My big problem is I could not find a sign of Cult or cult-like practices on this church For example < I asked pastor and a member one to one >
1.They dont believe that every nation are the only true church or better than another church and They allow a member to join ,fellowship with another church as they want
2.They dont serious strict about Leader position,authority hierachy. They said that it just a function and they dont try to control over my life
3.They said that I dont have to wait to be a leader for teach the BB for a new member I can do it Now !!!! Teach a new member One to one discipleship
4.I could not find Love Bomb , Mind Control, brainwash on this church I am free to do whatever i want
5.Pastor accept that "MARANATHA " are cult practices But Now they are change their doctrine and church style Therefore Every Nation are not a cult anymore
and Exactly I can have a question about the church , finance , pastor all the time
Pastor said
"Our church always have space for discussion. and logical debate on theology or practice................Please feel free to share with us "
6.I had ask pastor about "THE DATING POLICY OF EVERY NATION CHURCH"
He said that .....Who care !! Your life !! Depend on you !!! You can find any beautiful girl as you want and He dont mind if I get marry with a christian form another church
7.Exactly They claim to be apostle,apostolic church But they dont claim to be the only true church or see themselves as superior and better than other churches in the area.
However I found another interesting discussion on whether EveryNation is a cult So as a truth seeker I have been attend this church just 3 week
Ladies and gentlement .............Please help me
Please share with me about this church are a kind of Cult ?
How I can know they are cult ,cult practices?
Do they hiding something for a new member ?
Shouid i avoid this church ?
By The way : I am so sorry I am not a native english language and I am very poor in english language
Thank you so much
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Post by philiprosenthal on Sept 18, 2006 8:46:35 GMT
Dear Gary
EveryNation is a mixed denomination which includes some cultish ministers and churches and some healthy ones and a range in between. That allegation is not that all are cultish which would be very unfair. We hope that through this board, people will become aware of the problem, learn to discern the difference and discourage cultic practices and encourage healthy ones. You will get a similar problem in various other denominations. For example, there are some Espiscopalians/Anglicans and Methodists who believe there is no devil and no resurrection and no virgin birth and that homosexuality is okay. If you get into a church like this and find that is what the minister believes, then you need to get out fast - or if you can - kick the minister out. Such people are wolves in sheeps clothing. Put there are also lots of good Anglican and Methodist churches. So we are not attacking every minister and church in the movement. We are attacking a rot or corruption which is spreading through the denomination. If you know what it is then you can fight it when you see it.
Philip Rosenthal
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Post by paulhansen on Feb 10, 2007 14:13:46 GMT
Hi Philip Just a few points I need to bring up to you with regard to His people and Every nation. I also was a member from 1992 until 2005. I must admit that although you say you where in leadership there i can't say I remember you. I find it very interesting how opposed you are to the EN church's. 1. I personally was at a leadership meeting of all the cell leaders and department heads (prob about 600 members) when Rice was explaining what a disciple of Jesus is as well as what it means to disciple others.At this point Paul was still the senior pastor. It was a very challenging sermon. What was very interesting was, when he had finished, he asked us "who here is personally discipling someone else or being discipled" . To my horror only about ten percent of the people put there hands up. This is the context of the "purple book". Our so called super church was filled with hot air and didn't resemble the biblical make up of the church. Jesus' intention for the church is a discipleship based body ,not a pastor centered one tottally dependant on a charismatic orator.The apostle Paul says that people said he wasn't very persuasive and impressive in person.. The five fold ministry is there to equip the saints to do the work of the ministry. This was new to all the HP leaders.It still shocks me today that we could look and feel so good about our church yet we had strayed to a cult like church.We had great teaching yes but we lacked in personal application of the great commission.I was a cell leader for about three years and we where taught by ............... that cell groups where to be friendship groups.All teaching was to be done by Bible school and sunday services.This was in total antithesis to biblical teaching. What would have happenned to HP had it not been for the biblical foundations in the Purple book? If you ever read it you will find that it only contains bible verses with very little personal interpretation. I firmly believe the HP of early times was built on faulty foundations. They lasted in good times but when the flood waters rose it crumbled. 2. Gareth Stead now is senior pastor but was raving about how incredibly excited he is to be running a discipleship group of new christians he had pesonally witnessed to. One of which was a waiter .How many pastors do you know that have a passion to disciple a small group. Phillip God wants you to have that sought of passion to be an ambassador for Him and to make disciples. 2tim2:2 3. I am now at the full gosple church in Fish Hoek so I am not trying to sell the message of a church group but I have a passion to share the love and person of Jesus Christ with the world. There was some wonderfull teaching that we got in the early years at HP but we lacked in having a firm relationship with Jesus Christ. We where excited about the wrong things. We believed we could make a difference in the world but we wher'nt able to make disciples of Jesus. We strived to be area leaders and department heads but lacked the passion to see the Lordship of Jesus in our and others lives.I was so inspired and challenged by the Purple book that I now minister at the school assemblys twice a week at the Masipumele High and primary schools. 4. I am aware of the fact that EN has problems but I can assure you that all churchs have identical problems. God wants to use you as a catalyst for change and not for destruction. I think the spirit you take is not condusive to influencing others to repentance. I can see that you have a passion for justice and truth. My prayer is that God willgive you to have a passion for people.Rick Joyner had vision of a huge mountain full of christians in battle with armies of the devil that where at the base of the mountain. Different areas of the mountain represented different church groups(methodists, presbetarian, etc).There arrows where hitting the targets . At one side of the mountain where those that also where called christians that where critisising the others but where not fighting the enmy. God rebuked him by saying that he must stop judging and critisising other church denominations as they where all fighting in the same battle. Phillip keep your focus on the battle at hand .I can see that you normally do. 5. His People has huge challenges, baggage and hurdles but I am convinced that as they stand now they are on a far firmer ground than even at our so called heights.I know that you feel hurt and disapointment. but you need to move on .Your years in the early HP where not in vain. Paul Daniel was an awesome teacher and I pray that God will raise up many men of that callibre. We can understand how King Davids mighty men must have felt when he fell. Paul Daniel was a wek man like David, like you and me. We need to make sure that our lives are built on the rock.Jesus says this is a man that hears the word of God and does what it says.The man who built his house on the sand also heard the word but chose to ignore it . Philip be single minded in your vision to extend God's kingdom as you are doing. Jesus said go and make disciples . Baptising them in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit teaching them to obey all that I have commanded. Never in the History of the world has there been a greater need for christian discipleship or mentoring as the world calls it. This is the principle message that I got from Gareth Stead at His People. We need to pray that other churches too will get the vision to train and raise up disciples who in turn can make disciples Read 2 Tim 2:2 Love in Christ Paul Hansen
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