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Post by helpfulcommentary on Apr 11, 2006 3:15:23 GMT
Let's talk turkey. EN is a cutting edge apostolic movement with major flaws. In it's current state, I believe it has no good future, but God can do anything. If the leaders were to really turn away from the practices which hurt people, or really change their values about money, and poor people, it could be an incredible movement. Unfortunately a little leaven spoils the whole lump.
This thing is dead. It sucks the life out of people and corrupts others. I've seen it happen to a lot of people. The leadership if it continues the current path will continue to confront the Head of the Church at every turn. I hope there will be real repentance and transparency. I'd like to see them use their gifts to the full potential of reaching the nations and changing cultures around the world. I am not very optimistic that will happen, however. Every sign I've seen is kind of "show the people what they need to see, and continue business as usual" I doubt they really realize it, but it is scary.
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Post by philiprosenthal on Apr 25, 2006 12:22:01 GMT
Helpfulcommentary
I would like to ask what about EveryNation is 'cutting edge' apart from occasionally cutting up people emotionally? I feel this is just an arrogance of the organisation that they promote themselves this way. I see this whole apostolic governance issue as a step backwards to the pre-reformation days when people were ruled by fuedal lords, kings, popes, cardinals, bishops etc. Most of the point of the reformation was to get rid of this type of governance. Why then should we call it 'cutting edge'? The church has always had people with apostolic gifting such as John Wesley, but they didn't behave like these guys. Rode around on horseback instead of First class air tickets. Mixed with the common people instead of hiding away in the special church 'pastors lounge' and 5 star hotels. Wesley avoided fancy titles etc. There have been lots of 'apostles' who didn't need to go around lording it over everyone else. The reformation tried to get rid of this religious arrogance and abusiveness. They bring it back, although fortunately unlike the feudal pope, they haven't gotten control of any governments yet. Heaven help us if they did.
I say what they are doing is a step backwards disguised as a step forwards.
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