Post by philiprosenthal on Aug 31, 2006 11:11:30 GMT
Human translation of EN circular letter from Innsbruck
EVERY NATION
INNSBRUCK
Thursday, August 17th 2006
Information about evil tattle in internet discussion groups
I do not know if you have already been confronted with it, but because I recently got requests in this regard in the church, I think it is important to inform you and to guard against rumors.
In the internet there is a discussion platform called Factnet. The Factnet is an open discussion platform we know about for some time, where everybody can write what he thinks without verifying the facts in any form. There are accusations and rude criticism of our movement. This platform is used by some frustrated former Maranatha members (Bob Weiner was the leader and has nothing to do with EN, excepting some EN-pastors being in Maranatha before it broke apart) and some former disappointed members of Morningstar/EN. But also by people who do not know EN and simply proclaim their personal opinion/perception to what they read in Factnet. What is characterized as facts there mostly is entirely unevaluated, is based upon missunderstandings or in the worst case upon untruths.
I am sorry for the people who have really gotten hurt in any church or by leadership and now are talking down things. We have to assume that some really have been disappointed by people and leaders of EN because no one of us is perfect and makes mistakes. However do I think this form of communication is not biblical. It also is a fact that always somebody is discontented or has an evil opinion of EN – but it is a pity when the internet is used as platform to vent one´s anger. The biblical way is assembling with the leadership of the church and talking about it and clarifying missunderstandings.
Let me give an example which also is written in the most recent letter of our movement to the pastors: Donations and support coming in through MPD (Ministry Partnership Development – missionary supporters) are recorded as donations for missions in the accounting department und then are paid as salaries to all missionaries doing MPD. Somehow people got such a list and took it as amounts of millions were donated for missions and then redirected to the flow of salaries of the staff. That is only one example for missunderstandings.
Furthermore the accusations in Factnet almost exclusively refer to churches in America. If there happen any things which are not okay in any of our many churches then this has to be corrected. But this does not mean our movement generally has a problem and least of all that something similar is happening in our church in innsbruck. I know we as a movement made mistakes and probably also in the future mistakes will happen. In a worldwide movement you can hardly avoid this.
You all have noticed that there have been challenges in some American churches which our leadership team took a detailed look at. At the moment most of the analysises are completed and independent companies consulted by the leadership team clearly found out that there was no fraud or misuse of finances. For example 2 financial advisor companies were mandated to audit the whole accounting department, a team was arranged which especially audited the salaries and the outgoings of the leaders etc. Where in individual cases finances were not managed with wisdom (for example at unclarity if the church or the individual is responsible for the payment) these finances were paid back. Where salaries were excessive because people received salaries from different churches and movements without considering the total amount these have been reduced.
The way how the leadership dealt with the mistakes and their openness confirmed me to be on the right path. The humbleness and the clearness which came through the problems developed into blessing for us in the end. Also in the future we will not be able to preclude mistakes but it is important that we learn from it und how we manage it – and the leadership of our movement mastered this greatly.
Apperently there have been questions why Rice Broocks handed his position as main leader to Steve Murrell. The only reason for that is that the leadership collectively feels Steve brings along the best skills for this phase of our movement and Rice wants to concentrate again more on the sector of evangelization and to cultivate relationships to other churches and networks more. This step testifies humbleness and I appreciate this spirit where people do what is the best for our family and for God´s kingdom and do not stick to position.
What is very important for us as church leadership and necessary as protection for our unity is to talk open and honestly about these things. So if you still have questions then come to the leadership team therewith we can clarify these things.
Satan works through lies, missunderstandings and evil rumors und we ask you allow such things to poison the spiritual atmosphere in our church. Even if you will be spoken to or if you will hear rumors then please help to clarify them by addressing these people and refering them to the leadership and by informing the church leadership respectively.
We must not underestimate this because Jesus and Paul say very clearly:
If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. Marc 3:24-25
Eph 4:3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.
We love you and hold you in high regard and thank you for helping to delete evil rumors.
Markus
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Internet translation of EN circular letter
EveryNation Innsbruck 17 August 2006
Information fiber pairs of pants talk fiber Every nation in internet
discussion groups I WEII3 whether its already therewith confronted become
is, abet there I recently diesbeziiglich inquiries in the community got have
not, believe importantly is to be informed I, that it you to prevent and
Geriichten.
There is in the internet a discussion platform that names itself Factnet.
The Factnet is waded know an open discussion platform, of that for some
time, can where each simply in letter what it thinks, without in any form
the facts to priifen. There accusations and stand would rehearse criticism
of our movement. This platform is used of some frustierten of former
Maranathamitgliedern (quaked Weiner was the leader and has nothing with EN
to do, aufier that some EN-pastors friiher in Marantha were, before the
apart breach) and of some former, enttauschten members of Morningstar/EN.
Abet also of people the EN and do not know simply its personliche opinion
perception to that what they announce read in the Facnet. That what is
described there as facts, is most vollig ungepriift, is based upon
Mif3verstandnissen or in the worst case on untruths.
It does became badly make mfr around the people sorrow, that really in any
community or through leader shaft injured and now things. It is to be
supposed that some became actual through persons and leader of EN
enttauscht, because no of us perfectly is and mistake makes. To be sure I
do not find this form of communication biblical. It is also a fact that
someone always discontentedly is or a bad opinion of EN has - would damage
is use groove if persons the internet as a platform to make around itself
air. It is to be spoken the biblical way to put together itself with the
Gerneindeleitung and dariiber and Mifiverstandnisse aufzuklaren.
Lets me an example give, that stands also in the last from shipment of our
movement at the pastors: And Unterstiitzungen contribute come in will make
the fiber MPD (Ministry Partnership Development - missionary
UnterstUtzerkreis) buchhalterisch as a mission contribution grasped and then
as concentrations of all missionaries paid out the MPD. Somehow persons
received so interpreted so a list and this, contributed rerouted became as
if million sums fur mission and into salary canals of the colleagues then.
That is groove an example fur Missverstandnisse.
Auf3erdem have references the accusations in the Factnet almost
aui3schliefilich to Gerneinden in America. If in happen to one of our many
Gerneinden things, that are not in order, the korriegiert must become. The
heifit abet that our movement generally a problem and has not already not at
all that ahnliches in our community in Innsbruck happens. I WEI8, that
mistake waded made have happen become and as a movement probably also in the
future mistake. In a worldwide movement, that can hardly be avoided.
You got yes everyone that there were challenges in some American
communities, which exactly were regarded by our direction team. Most
investigations are locked so far and clearly assessed unabhangige firms that
were consulted by the direction team, that there were neither fraud nor
Mifibrauch of finances. Z. B. became 2 finance consultation firms delegates
the total accounting uberprufen, a team was assembled, which has specially
the salaries and editions of the leaders uberpruft, etc.. Where in
individual cases Gelder with wisdom handled became not (z. B. in vagueness
whether for payments the community or the private person zustandig is) are
thesis zuruckbezahlt become. Where salaries uberhoht were, because persons
related of different communities and works of salaries, but became not the
total sum berucksichtigt, were reduced thesis correspondingly.
The type and manner as well as the leader shafts with the mistakes gone
around is and have strengthened me its candor really therein that we are on
the correct way. The humility and clarity that through the problems come
are, developed in the end to the blessing for us. We become not knew also
in the future mistake ausschliefien, but am important go around that we
learn from that and like we therewith - and this mastered the leader shafts
our movement groiiartig.
It gave delivered has apparently also questions why Rice Brooks its office
as a head leader at Steve Murrell. The single reason dafur is that the
leader shafts jointly perceives, that Steve brings along the best
qualifications for theses phase of our movement and Rice again more on the
area Evangelisation concentrate and reinforced relations with other
communities and network maintain liked. This step showed of humility and I
schatze this spirit where persons do that, what the best for is our family
and for the empire of God and do not hold at positions.
What as a community direction entirely important and as a protection for our
unit unerlasslich is to us, is class we open and honestly Uber thesis things
speak. So if its yet questions has, comes to the direction team so that we
knew the things of clear. Satan works through Lugen, Mii3verstandnisse and
bose Geruchte and we ask not to allow you that such things the spiritual
Atmospahre in our community poison. Also if it addressed becomes or
Geruchte heard, helps reprimands informs then please with it aufzuklaren in
that its the persons addresses and at the leader shafts, and/or the
community direction.
We durfen that on the easy shoulder do not take say, for Jesus and Paulus
very clearly: And if an empire with itself is separated even, this empire
cannot exist. And if a house mitsich itself is separated, this house not
existence becomes knew. Markus3:z4 u 25 Eph 4:3 Befleil3igt you, who
to preserve unit of the spirit through the volume of the peace: We love and
appreciated you and thank help you, that you to remove bose Geruchte.
Markus
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EVERY
I N N S B R U C K
Donnerstag, 17. August Zoo6
Info fiber hoses Gerede fiber Every Nation in Internetdiskussionsgruppen
Ich weii3 nicht ob ihr schon damit konfrontiert worden seid, abet da ich in letzter Zeit diesbeziiglich Anfragen in der Gemeinde bekommen haben, glaube ich, dass es wichtig ist euch zu informieren and Geriichten vorzubeugen.
Es gibt im Internet eine Diskussionsplattform, die sich Factnet nennt. Das Factnet ist eine offene Diskussionsplattform, von der wit seit einiger Zeit wissen, wo jeder einfach hineinschreiben kann was er denkt, ohne in irgendeiner Form die Fakten zu priifen. Dort stehen Anschuldigungen and probe Kritik an unserer Bewegung. Diese Plattform wird von einigen frustierten ehemaligen Maranathamitgliedern (Bob Weiner war der Leiter and hat nichts mit EN zu tun, aufier dass einige EN-Pastoren friiher bei Marantha waren, bevor das auseinanderbrach) and einigen ehemaligen, enttauschten Mitgliedern von Morningstar/EN benutzt. Abet auch von Leuten die EN nicht kennen and einfach ihre personliche Meinung/Empfindung zu dem was sie im Facnet lesen kundtun. Das was dort als Fakten geschildert wird, ist meist vollig ungepriift, beruht auf Mif3verstandnissen oder im schlimmsten Fall auf Unwahrheiten.
Es tut mfr um die Leute leid, die wirklich in irgendeiner Gemeinde oder durch Leiterschaft verletzt wurden and jetzt Dinge schlecht machen. Es ist anzunehmen, dass einige wirklich durch Menschen and Leiter von EN enttauscht wurden, weil keiner von uns perfekt ist and Fehler macht. Allerdings finde ich diese Form von Kommunikation nicht biblisch. Es ist auch ein Faktum, dass irgendjemand immer unzufrieden ist oder eine schlechte Meinung von EN hat - schade ist nut wenn Menschen das Internet als Plattform benutzen um sich Luft zu machen. Der biblische Weg ist es, sich mit der Gerneindeleitung zusammenzusetzen and dariiber zu reden and Mifiverstandnisse aufzuklaren.
Lasst mich ein Beispiel geben, das auch in der letzten Aussendung unserer Bewegung an die Pastoren steht: Spenden and Unterstiitzungen die fiber MPD (Ministry Partnership Development - missionarische UnterstUtzerkreis) hereinkommen werden buchhalterisch als Missionsspenden erfasst and dann als Gehalter an alle Missionare ausbezahlt die MPD machen. Irgendwie haben Personen so eine Liste erhalten and diese so interpretiert, als ob Millionenbetrage fur Mission gespendet and dann in Gehaltskanale der Mitarbeiter umgeleitet wurden. Das ist nut ein Beispiel fur Missverstandnisse.
Auf3erdem beziehen sich die Anschuldigungen im Factnet fast aui3schliefilich auf Gerneinden in Amerika. Wenn in irgendeiner von unseren vielen Gerneinden Dinge passieren, die nicht in Ordnung sind, dann muss das korriegiert werden. Das heifit abet nicht dass unsere Bewegung generell ein Problem hat and schon gar nicht, dass ahnliches in unserer Gemeinde in Innsbruck passiert. Ich wei8, dass wit als Bewegung Fehler gemacht haben and wahrscheinlich auch in Zukunft Fehler passieren werden. Bei einer weltweiten Bewegung lasst sich das kaum vermeiden.
Ihr habt ja alle mitbekommen, dass es Herausforderungen in einigen amerikanischen Gemeinden gegeben hat, welche von unserem Leitungsteam genau angeschaut wurden. Die meisten Untersuchungen sind soweit abgeschlossen und unabhangige Firmen, die vom Leitungsteam hinzugezogen wurden, haben klar festgestellt, dass es weder Betrug noch Mifibrauch von Finanzen gegeben hat. Z. B. wurden 2 Finanzberatungsfirmen beauftragt die gesamte Buchhaltung zu uberprufen, ein Team wurde zusammengestellt, welches speziell die Gehalter und Ausgaben der Leiter uberpruft hat, etc.. Wo in Einzelfallen Gelder nicht mit Weisheit gehandhabt wurden (z. B. bei Unklarheiten ob for Bezahlungen die Gemeinde oder die Privatperson zustandig ist) sind these zuruckbezahlt worden. Wo Gehalter uberhoht waren, weil Personen von verschiedenen Gemeinden und Werken Gehalter bezogen haben, aber nicht die Gesamtsumme berucksichtigt wurde, sind these entsprechend reduziert worden.
Die Art und Weise wie die Leiterschaft mit den Fehlern umgegangen ist und ihre Offenheit haben mich wirklich darin bestarkt, dass wir auf dem richtigen Weg sind. Die Demut und Klarheit die durch die Probleme gekommen sind, haben sich letztendlich zum Segen for uns entwickelt. Wir werden auch in Zukunft Fehler nicht ausschliefien konnen, aber wichtig ist, dass wir daraus lernen und wie wir damit umgehen - und dies hat die Leiterschaft unsere Bewegung groiiartig gemeistert.
Es hat scheinbar auch Fragen gegeben warum Rice Brooks sein Amt als Hauptleiter an Steve Murrell abgegeben hat. Der einzige Grund dafur ist, dass die Leiterschaft gemeinsam empfindet, dass Steve die besten Qualifikationen for these Phase unserer Bewegung mitbringt und Rice sich wieder mehr auf den Bereich Evangelisation konzentrieren und verstarkt Beziehungen mit anderen Gemeinden und Netzwerken pflegen mochte. Dieser Schritt zeugt von Demut und ich schatze diesen Geist, wo Menschen das tun, was das Beste for unsere Familie und for das Reich Gottes ist und nicht an Positionen festhalten.
Was uns als Gemeindeleitung ganz wichtig und als Schutz for unsere Einheit unerlasslich ist, ist class wir offen und ehrlich Uber these Dinge reden. So wenn ihr noch Fragen habt, dann kommt zum Leitungsteam, damit wir die Dinge klaren konnen.
Satan arbeitet durch Lugen, Mii3verstandnisse und bose Geruchte und wir bitten euch nicht zuzulassen, dass solche Dinge die geistliche Atmospahre in unserer Gemeinde vergiften. Auch wenn ihr angesprochen werdet oder Geruchte hort, dann bitte helft mit sie aufzuklaren, indem ihr die Personen ansprecht und an die Leiterschaft verweist, bzw. die Gemeindeleitung informiert.
Wir durfen das nicht auf die leichte Schulter nehmen, denn Jesus und Paulus sagen ganz klar:
Und wenn ein Reich mit sich selbst entzweit ist, kann dieses Reich nicht bestehen. Und wenn ein
Haus mitsich selbst entzweit ist, wird dieses Haus nichtbestehen konnen. Markus3:z4 u 25
Eph 4:3 Befleil3igt euch, die Einheit des Geistes zu bewahren durch das Band des Friedens:
Wir lieben und schatzen euch und danken euch, dass ihr mithelft bose Geruchte zu beseitigen.
Markus
The following is a Google translation of an EveryNation circular from Innsbruck
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EVERY I N N S B R U C K Thursday, 17 August Zoo6 Info. fiber hoses gossip
fiber Every nation in groups of Internet discussions I weii3 not whether it
with it were already confronted, I lately diesbeziiglich inquiries in the
municipality got abet there, believe I that it is important to you to inform
and Geriichten to prevent. There is a discussion platform, which calls
itself Factnet in the Internet. The Factnet is an open discussion platform,
from which wit for some time know, where everyone can simply write which he
thinks, without in any form the facts to priifen. There accusations and
stand rehearse criticism at our movement. This platform is used by some
frustierten former Maranathamitgliedern (Bob Weiner was the leader and has
nothing with EN to do, more aufier the fact that some EN ministers with
Marantha was more friiher before broke apart) and some former, enttauschten
members of Morningstar/EN. Abet also of people the EN do not know and simply
its personliche opinion/feeling to which them in the Facnet read kundtun.
Which is described there as facts, is usually vollig ungepriift, been based
on Mif3verstandnissen or in the worst case on untruths. It does mfr
around the people wrong, which were really hurt in any municipality or by
leader shank and things to make bad now. It is to be accepted that some by
humans and leaders were really enttauscht by EN, because none of us is
perfect and error makes. However I do not find this form of communication
Biblical. It is also a fact that somebody is always dissatisfied or a bad
opinion of EN has - unfortunate groove is if humans Internet as platform
uses around itself air to make. The Biblical way is it to clear up with the
Gerneindeleitung to build itself up and more dariiber to talk and
Mifiverstandnisse. Let me an example give, which stands also in last
sending of our movement to the ministers: Donations and Unterstiitzungen the
fiber multiply decimal (Ministry Partnership development - missionary
supporter circle) will come in buchhalterisch as mission donations seized
and then as going age to all mission acres pay off the multiply decimal to
make. Persons interpreted so a list in such a way somehow received and this,
as if amount of millions fur mission donated and in content channel of the
coworkers were then rerouted. That is groove an example fur
Missverstandnisse. Auf3erdem refer the accusations in the Factnet nearly
aui3schliefilich to Gerneinden in America. If in any from our many
Gerneinden things happen, which are not correct, then must be korriegiert.
Heifit abet not that our movement does not have generally a problem and
already at all that ahnliches in our municipality in Innsbruck happens. I
wei8 that wit as movement errors made and probably also in the future errors
will happen. With a world-wide movement let yourself that hardly avoid.
You all received that it gave challenges in some American municipalities,
which of our line team were exactly looked at. Most investigations are so
far final and unabhangige companies, which were consulted by the line team,
to have clearly stated that it gave neither fraud nor Mifibrauch of
finances. E.G. 2 financial advice companies assign were arranged the entire
bookkeeping to uberprufen, a team, which uberpruft particularly the going
age and expenditures of the leaders, etc. Where in single traps funds with
wisdom were not handled (e.g. with ambiguity whether for payments the
municipality or the private person is zustandig) thesis were zuruckbezahlt.
Where going age were uberhoht, because persons of different municipalities
and works referred going age, but not the sum total was berucksichtigt,
thesis was accordingly reduced. The way like the leader shank dealt with
the errors and their openness me really in the fact bestarkt that we are on
the correct way. The humility and clarity came by the problems, finally to
the benediction for us developed. We become also in the future errors do not
ausschliefien konnen, but it is important that we learn from it and as we
with it to deal - and this mastered those leader shank our movement
groiiartig. It has apparently also questions given why Rice Brooks its
office as a main leader at Steve Murrell delivered. The only reason dafur is
the fact that those feels leader shank together that Steve bring along the
best qualifications for for thesis phase of our movement and Rice
concentrate again more on the range Evangelisation and verstarkt relations
with other municipalities and networks have maintained might. This step
witnesses to treasure this spirit from humility and I, where humans do that,
what the best is for our family and for the realm of God and does not hold
to positions. Which us as municipality line completely importantly and as
protection for our unit is unerlasslich, is open class we and honestly Uber
thesis of things talk. So if it still questions have, then comes to the line
team, so that we the things clear konnen. Satan works by peeping,
Mii3verstandnisse and Bose Geruchte and we does not ask you not to permit
that such things poison religious Atmospahre in our municipality. Even if
you are addressed or Geruchte stronghold, then please help with it to clear
up, by it the persons address and to the leader shank refer, and/or the
municipality line informs. We durfen that on the light shoulder do not
take, because Jesus and Paulus say completely clearly: And if a realm is
divided with itself, this realm cannot exist. And if House is divided,
becomes this house nonexistence konnen. Markus3: z4 u 25 Eph 4:3
Befleil3igt you to retain the unit of the spirit by the volume of the peace:
We love and schatzen you and thank you that you help Bose Geruchte to
eliminate. Markus
--------------------------------------------------
EVERY NATION
INNSBRUCK
Thursday, August 17th 2006
Information about evil tattle in internet discussion groups
I do not know if you have already been confronted with it, but because I recently got requests in this regard in the church, I think it is important to inform you and to guard against rumors.
In the internet there is a discussion platform called Factnet. The Factnet is an open discussion platform we know about for some time, where everybody can write what he thinks without verifying the facts in any form. There are accusations and rude criticism of our movement. This platform is used by some frustrated former Maranatha members (Bob Weiner was the leader and has nothing to do with EN, excepting some EN-pastors being in Maranatha before it broke apart) and some former disappointed members of Morningstar/EN. But also by people who do not know EN and simply proclaim their personal opinion/perception to what they read in Factnet. What is characterized as facts there mostly is entirely unevaluated, is based upon missunderstandings or in the worst case upon untruths.
I am sorry for the people who have really gotten hurt in any church or by leadership and now are talking down things. We have to assume that some really have been disappointed by people and leaders of EN because no one of us is perfect and makes mistakes. However do I think this form of communication is not biblical. It also is a fact that always somebody is discontented or has an evil opinion of EN – but it is a pity when the internet is used as platform to vent one´s anger. The biblical way is assembling with the leadership of the church and talking about it and clarifying missunderstandings.
Let me give an example which also is written in the most recent letter of our movement to the pastors: Donations and support coming in through MPD (Ministry Partnership Development – missionary supporters) are recorded as donations for missions in the accounting department und then are paid as salaries to all missionaries doing MPD. Somehow people got such a list and took it as amounts of millions were donated for missions and then redirected to the flow of salaries of the staff. That is only one example for missunderstandings.
Furthermore the accusations in Factnet almost exclusively refer to churches in America. If there happen any things which are not okay in any of our many churches then this has to be corrected. But this does not mean our movement generally has a problem and least of all that something similar is happening in our church in innsbruck. I know we as a movement made mistakes and probably also in the future mistakes will happen. In a worldwide movement you can hardly avoid this.
You all have noticed that there have been challenges in some American churches which our leadership team took a detailed look at. At the moment most of the analysises are completed and independent companies consulted by the leadership team clearly found out that there was no fraud or misuse of finances. For example 2 financial advisor companies were mandated to audit the whole accounting department, a team was arranged which especially audited the salaries and the outgoings of the leaders etc. Where in individual cases finances were not managed with wisdom (for example at unclarity if the church or the individual is responsible for the payment) these finances were paid back. Where salaries were excessive because people received salaries from different churches and movements without considering the total amount these have been reduced.
The way how the leadership dealt with the mistakes and their openness confirmed me to be on the right path. The humbleness and the clearness which came through the problems developed into blessing for us in the end. Also in the future we will not be able to preclude mistakes but it is important that we learn from it und how we manage it – and the leadership of our movement mastered this greatly.
Apperently there have been questions why Rice Broocks handed his position as main leader to Steve Murrell. The only reason for that is that the leadership collectively feels Steve brings along the best skills for this phase of our movement and Rice wants to concentrate again more on the sector of evangelization and to cultivate relationships to other churches and networks more. This step testifies humbleness and I appreciate this spirit where people do what is the best for our family and for God´s kingdom and do not stick to position.
What is very important for us as church leadership and necessary as protection for our unity is to talk open and honestly about these things. So if you still have questions then come to the leadership team therewith we can clarify these things.
Satan works through lies, missunderstandings and evil rumors und we ask you allow such things to poison the spiritual atmosphere in our church. Even if you will be spoken to or if you will hear rumors then please help to clarify them by addressing these people and refering them to the leadership and by informing the church leadership respectively.
We must not underestimate this because Jesus and Paul say very clearly:
If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. Marc 3:24-25
Eph 4:3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.
We love you and hold you in high regard and thank you for helping to delete evil rumors.
Markus
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Internet translation of EN circular letter
EveryNation Innsbruck 17 August 2006
Information fiber pairs of pants talk fiber Every nation in internet
discussion groups I WEII3 whether its already therewith confronted become
is, abet there I recently diesbeziiglich inquiries in the community got have
not, believe importantly is to be informed I, that it you to prevent and
Geriichten.
There is in the internet a discussion platform that names itself Factnet.
The Factnet is waded know an open discussion platform, of that for some
time, can where each simply in letter what it thinks, without in any form
the facts to priifen. There accusations and stand would rehearse criticism
of our movement. This platform is used of some frustierten of former
Maranathamitgliedern (quaked Weiner was the leader and has nothing with EN
to do, aufier that some EN-pastors friiher in Marantha were, before the
apart breach) and of some former, enttauschten members of Morningstar/EN.
Abet also of people the EN and do not know simply its personliche opinion
perception to that what they announce read in the Facnet. That what is
described there as facts, is most vollig ungepriift, is based upon
Mif3verstandnissen or in the worst case on untruths.
It does became badly make mfr around the people sorrow, that really in any
community or through leader shaft injured and now things. It is to be
supposed that some became actual through persons and leader of EN
enttauscht, because no of us perfectly is and mistake makes. To be sure I
do not find this form of communication biblical. It is also a fact that
someone always discontentedly is or a bad opinion of EN has - would damage
is use groove if persons the internet as a platform to make around itself
air. It is to be spoken the biblical way to put together itself with the
Gerneindeleitung and dariiber and Mifiverstandnisse aufzuklaren.
Lets me an example give, that stands also in the last from shipment of our
movement at the pastors: And Unterstiitzungen contribute come in will make
the fiber MPD (Ministry Partnership Development - missionary
UnterstUtzerkreis) buchhalterisch as a mission contribution grasped and then
as concentrations of all missionaries paid out the MPD. Somehow persons
received so interpreted so a list and this, contributed rerouted became as
if million sums fur mission and into salary canals of the colleagues then.
That is groove an example fur Missverstandnisse.
Auf3erdem have references the accusations in the Factnet almost
aui3schliefilich to Gerneinden in America. If in happen to one of our many
Gerneinden things, that are not in order, the korriegiert must become. The
heifit abet that our movement generally a problem and has not already not at
all that ahnliches in our community in Innsbruck happens. I WEI8, that
mistake waded made have happen become and as a movement probably also in the
future mistake. In a worldwide movement, that can hardly be avoided.
You got yes everyone that there were challenges in some American
communities, which exactly were regarded by our direction team. Most
investigations are locked so far and clearly assessed unabhangige firms that
were consulted by the direction team, that there were neither fraud nor
Mifibrauch of finances. Z. B. became 2 finance consultation firms delegates
the total accounting uberprufen, a team was assembled, which has specially
the salaries and editions of the leaders uberpruft, etc.. Where in
individual cases Gelder with wisdom handled became not (z. B. in vagueness
whether for payments the community or the private person zustandig is) are
thesis zuruckbezahlt become. Where salaries uberhoht were, because persons
related of different communities and works of salaries, but became not the
total sum berucksichtigt, were reduced thesis correspondingly.
The type and manner as well as the leader shafts with the mistakes gone
around is and have strengthened me its candor really therein that we are on
the correct way. The humility and clarity that through the problems come
are, developed in the end to the blessing for us. We become not knew also
in the future mistake ausschliefien, but am important go around that we
learn from that and like we therewith - and this mastered the leader shafts
our movement groiiartig.
It gave delivered has apparently also questions why Rice Brooks its office
as a head leader at Steve Murrell. The single reason dafur is that the
leader shafts jointly perceives, that Steve brings along the best
qualifications for theses phase of our movement and Rice again more on the
area Evangelisation concentrate and reinforced relations with other
communities and network maintain liked. This step showed of humility and I
schatze this spirit where persons do that, what the best for is our family
and for the empire of God and do not hold at positions.
What as a community direction entirely important and as a protection for our
unit unerlasslich is to us, is class we open and honestly Uber thesis things
speak. So if its yet questions has, comes to the direction team so that we
knew the things of clear. Satan works through Lugen, Mii3verstandnisse and
bose Geruchte and we ask not to allow you that such things the spiritual
Atmospahre in our community poison. Also if it addressed becomes or
Geruchte heard, helps reprimands informs then please with it aufzuklaren in
that its the persons addresses and at the leader shafts, and/or the
community direction.
We durfen that on the easy shoulder do not take say, for Jesus and Paulus
very clearly: And if an empire with itself is separated even, this empire
cannot exist. And if a house mitsich itself is separated, this house not
existence becomes knew. Markus3:z4 u 25 Eph 4:3 Befleil3igt you, who
to preserve unit of the spirit through the volume of the peace: We love and
appreciated you and thank help you, that you to remove bose Geruchte.
Markus
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EVERY
I N N S B R U C K
Donnerstag, 17. August Zoo6
Info fiber hoses Gerede fiber Every Nation in Internetdiskussionsgruppen
Ich weii3 nicht ob ihr schon damit konfrontiert worden seid, abet da ich in letzter Zeit diesbeziiglich Anfragen in der Gemeinde bekommen haben, glaube ich, dass es wichtig ist euch zu informieren and Geriichten vorzubeugen.
Es gibt im Internet eine Diskussionsplattform, die sich Factnet nennt. Das Factnet ist eine offene Diskussionsplattform, von der wit seit einiger Zeit wissen, wo jeder einfach hineinschreiben kann was er denkt, ohne in irgendeiner Form die Fakten zu priifen. Dort stehen Anschuldigungen and probe Kritik an unserer Bewegung. Diese Plattform wird von einigen frustierten ehemaligen Maranathamitgliedern (Bob Weiner war der Leiter and hat nichts mit EN zu tun, aufier dass einige EN-Pastoren friiher bei Marantha waren, bevor das auseinanderbrach) and einigen ehemaligen, enttauschten Mitgliedern von Morningstar/EN benutzt. Abet auch von Leuten die EN nicht kennen and einfach ihre personliche Meinung/Empfindung zu dem was sie im Facnet lesen kundtun. Das was dort als Fakten geschildert wird, ist meist vollig ungepriift, beruht auf Mif3verstandnissen oder im schlimmsten Fall auf Unwahrheiten.
Es tut mfr um die Leute leid, die wirklich in irgendeiner Gemeinde oder durch Leiterschaft verletzt wurden and jetzt Dinge schlecht machen. Es ist anzunehmen, dass einige wirklich durch Menschen and Leiter von EN enttauscht wurden, weil keiner von uns perfekt ist and Fehler macht. Allerdings finde ich diese Form von Kommunikation nicht biblisch. Es ist auch ein Faktum, dass irgendjemand immer unzufrieden ist oder eine schlechte Meinung von EN hat - schade ist nut wenn Menschen das Internet als Plattform benutzen um sich Luft zu machen. Der biblische Weg ist es, sich mit der Gerneindeleitung zusammenzusetzen and dariiber zu reden and Mifiverstandnisse aufzuklaren.
Lasst mich ein Beispiel geben, das auch in der letzten Aussendung unserer Bewegung an die Pastoren steht: Spenden and Unterstiitzungen die fiber MPD (Ministry Partnership Development - missionarische UnterstUtzerkreis) hereinkommen werden buchhalterisch als Missionsspenden erfasst and dann als Gehalter an alle Missionare ausbezahlt die MPD machen. Irgendwie haben Personen so eine Liste erhalten and diese so interpretiert, als ob Millionenbetrage fur Mission gespendet and dann in Gehaltskanale der Mitarbeiter umgeleitet wurden. Das ist nut ein Beispiel fur Missverstandnisse.
Auf3erdem beziehen sich die Anschuldigungen im Factnet fast aui3schliefilich auf Gerneinden in Amerika. Wenn in irgendeiner von unseren vielen Gerneinden Dinge passieren, die nicht in Ordnung sind, dann muss das korriegiert werden. Das heifit abet nicht dass unsere Bewegung generell ein Problem hat and schon gar nicht, dass ahnliches in unserer Gemeinde in Innsbruck passiert. Ich wei8, dass wit als Bewegung Fehler gemacht haben and wahrscheinlich auch in Zukunft Fehler passieren werden. Bei einer weltweiten Bewegung lasst sich das kaum vermeiden.
Ihr habt ja alle mitbekommen, dass es Herausforderungen in einigen amerikanischen Gemeinden gegeben hat, welche von unserem Leitungsteam genau angeschaut wurden. Die meisten Untersuchungen sind soweit abgeschlossen und unabhangige Firmen, die vom Leitungsteam hinzugezogen wurden, haben klar festgestellt, dass es weder Betrug noch Mifibrauch von Finanzen gegeben hat. Z. B. wurden 2 Finanzberatungsfirmen beauftragt die gesamte Buchhaltung zu uberprufen, ein Team wurde zusammengestellt, welches speziell die Gehalter und Ausgaben der Leiter uberpruft hat, etc.. Wo in Einzelfallen Gelder nicht mit Weisheit gehandhabt wurden (z. B. bei Unklarheiten ob for Bezahlungen die Gemeinde oder die Privatperson zustandig ist) sind these zuruckbezahlt worden. Wo Gehalter uberhoht waren, weil Personen von verschiedenen Gemeinden und Werken Gehalter bezogen haben, aber nicht die Gesamtsumme berucksichtigt wurde, sind these entsprechend reduziert worden.
Die Art und Weise wie die Leiterschaft mit den Fehlern umgegangen ist und ihre Offenheit haben mich wirklich darin bestarkt, dass wir auf dem richtigen Weg sind. Die Demut und Klarheit die durch die Probleme gekommen sind, haben sich letztendlich zum Segen for uns entwickelt. Wir werden auch in Zukunft Fehler nicht ausschliefien konnen, aber wichtig ist, dass wir daraus lernen und wie wir damit umgehen - und dies hat die Leiterschaft unsere Bewegung groiiartig gemeistert.
Es hat scheinbar auch Fragen gegeben warum Rice Brooks sein Amt als Hauptleiter an Steve Murrell abgegeben hat. Der einzige Grund dafur ist, dass die Leiterschaft gemeinsam empfindet, dass Steve die besten Qualifikationen for these Phase unserer Bewegung mitbringt und Rice sich wieder mehr auf den Bereich Evangelisation konzentrieren und verstarkt Beziehungen mit anderen Gemeinden und Netzwerken pflegen mochte. Dieser Schritt zeugt von Demut und ich schatze diesen Geist, wo Menschen das tun, was das Beste for unsere Familie und for das Reich Gottes ist und nicht an Positionen festhalten.
Was uns als Gemeindeleitung ganz wichtig und als Schutz for unsere Einheit unerlasslich ist, ist class wir offen und ehrlich Uber these Dinge reden. So wenn ihr noch Fragen habt, dann kommt zum Leitungsteam, damit wir die Dinge klaren konnen.
Satan arbeitet durch Lugen, Mii3verstandnisse und bose Geruchte und wir bitten euch nicht zuzulassen, dass solche Dinge die geistliche Atmospahre in unserer Gemeinde vergiften. Auch wenn ihr angesprochen werdet oder Geruchte hort, dann bitte helft mit sie aufzuklaren, indem ihr die Personen ansprecht und an die Leiterschaft verweist, bzw. die Gemeindeleitung informiert.
Wir durfen das nicht auf die leichte Schulter nehmen, denn Jesus und Paulus sagen ganz klar:
Und wenn ein Reich mit sich selbst entzweit ist, kann dieses Reich nicht bestehen. Und wenn ein
Haus mitsich selbst entzweit ist, wird dieses Haus nichtbestehen konnen. Markus3:z4 u 25
Eph 4:3 Befleil3igt euch, die Einheit des Geistes zu bewahren durch das Band des Friedens:
Wir lieben und schatzen euch und danken euch, dass ihr mithelft bose Geruchte zu beseitigen.
Markus
The following is a Google translation of an EveryNation circular from Innsbruck
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EVERY I N N S B R U C K Thursday, 17 August Zoo6 Info. fiber hoses gossip
fiber Every nation in groups of Internet discussions I weii3 not whether it
with it were already confronted, I lately diesbeziiglich inquiries in the
municipality got abet there, believe I that it is important to you to inform
and Geriichten to prevent. There is a discussion platform, which calls
itself Factnet in the Internet. The Factnet is an open discussion platform,
from which wit for some time know, where everyone can simply write which he
thinks, without in any form the facts to priifen. There accusations and
stand rehearse criticism at our movement. This platform is used by some
frustierten former Maranathamitgliedern (Bob Weiner was the leader and has
nothing with EN to do, more aufier the fact that some EN ministers with
Marantha was more friiher before broke apart) and some former, enttauschten
members of Morningstar/EN. Abet also of people the EN do not know and simply
its personliche opinion/feeling to which them in the Facnet read kundtun.
Which is described there as facts, is usually vollig ungepriift, been based
on Mif3verstandnissen or in the worst case on untruths. It does mfr
around the people wrong, which were really hurt in any municipality or by
leader shank and things to make bad now. It is to be accepted that some by
humans and leaders were really enttauscht by EN, because none of us is
perfect and error makes. However I do not find this form of communication
Biblical. It is also a fact that somebody is always dissatisfied or a bad
opinion of EN has - unfortunate groove is if humans Internet as platform
uses around itself air to make. The Biblical way is it to clear up with the
Gerneindeleitung to build itself up and more dariiber to talk and
Mifiverstandnisse. Let me an example give, which stands also in last
sending of our movement to the ministers: Donations and Unterstiitzungen the
fiber multiply decimal (Ministry Partnership development - missionary
supporter circle) will come in buchhalterisch as mission donations seized
and then as going age to all mission acres pay off the multiply decimal to
make. Persons interpreted so a list in such a way somehow received and this,
as if amount of millions fur mission donated and in content channel of the
coworkers were then rerouted. That is groove an example fur
Missverstandnisse. Auf3erdem refer the accusations in the Factnet nearly
aui3schliefilich to Gerneinden in America. If in any from our many
Gerneinden things happen, which are not correct, then must be korriegiert.
Heifit abet not that our movement does not have generally a problem and
already at all that ahnliches in our municipality in Innsbruck happens. I
wei8 that wit as movement errors made and probably also in the future errors
will happen. With a world-wide movement let yourself that hardly avoid.
You all received that it gave challenges in some American municipalities,
which of our line team were exactly looked at. Most investigations are so
far final and unabhangige companies, which were consulted by the line team,
to have clearly stated that it gave neither fraud nor Mifibrauch of
finances. E.G. 2 financial advice companies assign were arranged the entire
bookkeeping to uberprufen, a team, which uberpruft particularly the going
age and expenditures of the leaders, etc. Where in single traps funds with
wisdom were not handled (e.g. with ambiguity whether for payments the
municipality or the private person is zustandig) thesis were zuruckbezahlt.
Where going age were uberhoht, because persons of different municipalities
and works referred going age, but not the sum total was berucksichtigt,
thesis was accordingly reduced. The way like the leader shank dealt with
the errors and their openness me really in the fact bestarkt that we are on
the correct way. The humility and clarity came by the problems, finally to
the benediction for us developed. We become also in the future errors do not
ausschliefien konnen, but it is important that we learn from it and as we
with it to deal - and this mastered those leader shank our movement
groiiartig. It has apparently also questions given why Rice Brooks its
office as a main leader at Steve Murrell delivered. The only reason dafur is
the fact that those feels leader shank together that Steve bring along the
best qualifications for for thesis phase of our movement and Rice
concentrate again more on the range Evangelisation and verstarkt relations
with other municipalities and networks have maintained might. This step
witnesses to treasure this spirit from humility and I, where humans do that,
what the best is for our family and for the realm of God and does not hold
to positions. Which us as municipality line completely importantly and as
protection for our unit is unerlasslich, is open class we and honestly Uber
thesis of things talk. So if it still questions have, then comes to the line
team, so that we the things clear konnen. Satan works by peeping,
Mii3verstandnisse and Bose Geruchte and we does not ask you not to permit
that such things poison religious Atmospahre in our municipality. Even if
you are addressed or Geruchte stronghold, then please help with it to clear
up, by it the persons address and to the leader shank refer, and/or the
municipality line informs. We durfen that on the light shoulder do not
take, because Jesus and Paulus say completely clearly: And if a realm is
divided with itself, this realm cannot exist. And if House is divided,
becomes this house nonexistence konnen. Markus3: z4 u 25 Eph 4:3
Befleil3igt you to retain the unit of the spirit by the volume of the peace:
We love and schatzen you and thank you that you help Bose Geruchte to
eliminate. Markus
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